Legislature(1995 - 1996)

03/22/1995 01:37 PM Senate CRA

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 SCRA - 3/22/95                                                                
           SB 96 UNFUNDED MANDATES ON MUNICIPALITIES                          
                                                                              
                                                                              
   CHAIRMAN TORGERSON  called the Senate Community & Regional Affairs         
 Committee meeting to order at 1:37 p.m.  He brought  SB 96 ,                  
 sponsored by Senate Kelly, before the committee as the first order            
 of business.                                                                  
                                                                               
 Number 010                                                                    
                                                                               
 JOSH FINK, aide to Senator Kelly,  explained that just as the U.S.            
 Congress is attempting to address the considerable financial                  
 hardships unfunded federal mandates place on state governments,               
 many state legislatures are beginning to address the same financial           
 hardships unfunded state mandates are placing on local governments.           
 At present, 16 states have laws to try to limit or prohibit state             
 government from imposing unfunded mandates on municipalities.                 
 Additionally, more than 20 other state legislatures are considering           
 legislation much like SB 96.                                                  
                                                                               
 SB 96 was introduced by Senator Kelly to remedy the problem of                
 unfunded state mandates in Alaska.  The legislation is a high                 
 priority for the Alaska Municipal League, the Municipality of                 
 Anchorage, the Fairbanks North Star Borough, the Alaska Conference            
 of Mayors, and the City of Unalaska, among others.                            
                                                                               
 Unfunded mandates cause cash-strapped cities to decrease basic                
 municipal services in order to pay for the unfunded mandates.  As             
 these unfunded mandates increase for local governments, aid to                
 municipalities has been cut more than 55 percent.  As                         
 municipalities and local governments struggle to provide services             
 mandated but not funded by the Legislature, increased property                
 taxes and other local taxes have been used as funding vehicles as             
 well as cuts in other services.                                               
                                                                               
 Mr. Fink said the principal imperative of this legislation is that            
 the state government should not require municipalities by statute,            
 regulation or administrative action to implement any new programs,            
 service or activity which significantly impacts that municipality's           
 budget unless the legislature is willing to provide funding for               
 that new mandate.                                                             
                                                                               
 SB 96 sets us a mechanism which will go a long way to preventing              
 state government from imposing new mandates without funding them.             
 However, the legislature is, ultimately, constitutionally capable             
 of imposing such mandates if it desires.                                      
                                                                               
 Number 070                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR TORGERSON directed attention to a proposed committee                  
 substitute.  SENATOR KELLY moved the adoption of CSSB 96(CRA) as a            
 working document.  Hearing no objection, it was so ordered.                   
 Number 080                                                                    
                                                                               
 JOSH FINK, in presenting a section-by-section analysis of CSSB
 96(CRA), said Section 2 is the crux of the legislation.  It adds a            
 new section to Title 24 and provides that a bill enacted after                
 January 1, 1996 that imposes new or increased costs to                        
 municipalities is not effective unless funds are appropriated at              
 the time of enactment to fully fund these new or increased costs              
 resulting from the new legislation.                                           
                                                                               
 Further, unless sufficient funds continue to be appropriated each             
 successive legislative session that the mandate is in effect, the             
 mandate shall be revoked.   Exceptions to this are:  a bill passed            
 by two-thirds of the members of each house; a mandate requested by            
 the affected municipalities; a bill that affirms existing law as it           
 has been construed by the courts or enacts federal law or                     
 regulation; and a bill that creates, eliminates, or changes a                 
 criminal offense as defined in Title 11.                                      
                                                                               
 Number 190                                                                    
                                                                               
 JANET KELLY, Assistant Professor of Political Science & Public                
 Administration at Clemson University in South Carolina, informed              
 the committee she has been studying state mandates to localities              
 for the last 10 years.                                                        
                                                                               
 Professor Kelly has discussed the legislation before the committee            
 at some length with Kevin Ritchie of the Alaska Municipal League,             
 as well as discussing some of the potential pitfalls of other                 
 states' experience with a statutory prohibition on unfunded                   
 mandates.  She added that SB 96 avoids much of that pitfall and she           
 believes it is an excellent bill.                                             
                                                                               
 Professor Kelly said this sort of legislative attempt at self-                
 limitation is very useful and that it heightens legislative                   
 awareness of the fiscal constraints of municipalities, but it also            
 recognizes the state legislature's right and necessity to impose              
 unfunded mandates in the event that there is an emergency, etc.,              
 where such a mandate is clearly indicated.                                    
                                                                               
 Professor Kelly reiterated SB 96 is an excellent bill and she has             
 no difficulties with it.                                                      
                                                                               
 Number 240                                                                    
                                                                               
 SCOTT BRANDT-ERICHSEN, Assistant Municipal Attorney, Municipality             
 of Anchorage, testifying from Anchorage, voiced the municipality's            
 support for CSSB 96(CRA), and stated he was available for                     
 questions.                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR TORGERSON said a question has come up concerning the                  
 exception in Section 2, (d)(2), "mandate requested by the affected            
 municipalities," and asked if this language was too broad.  SCOTT             
 BRANDT-ERICHSEN answered that there is procedure which would help             
 in identifying whether a municipality or whether all of the                   
 affected municipalities have requested a change.  He suggested that           
 section could be worded in a way that would provide a clearer                 
 distinction.                                                                  
                                                                               
 Number 318                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR KELLY noted that in her testimony, Professor Kelly referred           
 to an "emergency."  Professor KELLY said she was referring to a               
 history of other states' experience with similar legislation in               
 which legislatures have been able to, in the event of the                     
 emergency, quickly generate the two-thirds majority that they need            
 in each house in order to enact an unfunded mandate.  SENATOR KELLY           
 commented that as a state that seems to stagger from natural                  
 disaster to natural disaster, we could probably anticipate some               
 type of an emergency in the next several years, and he suggested              
 adding an exception relating to bills passed in response to a state           
 of emergency as proclaimed by the governor.  He also suggested that           
 maybe an approach on (d)(2) "mandate requested by the affected                
 municipalities" could be changed to  "mandate officially requested            
 by the Alaska Municipal League" which would be relatively                     
 representative of the majority of communities throughout Alaska.              
                                                                               
 SENATOR R. PHILLIPS pointed out that communities drop in and out of           
 the League and there are different reasons that they may oppose a             
 mandate and at what levels they may oppose it at.                             
                                                                               
 Number 360                                                                    
                                                                               
 KEVIN RITCHIE, Executive Director, Alaska Municipal League, noted             
 that federal anti-mandates legislation had  been signed by                    
 President Clinton earlier in the day, and he believes it will have            
 a big effect on state/federal relations, as well as with                      
 municipalities.                                                               
                                                                               
 Mr. Ritchie said the Leagues believes that SB 96 is a real strong             
 statement and more of a moral imperative and a discussion point               
 than a law that's going to be enforced by the courts.  He said                
 there are ways to get around the bill, but the thing that makes it            
 a moral imperative is the fact that it is written down and agreed             
 to.  It is a very strong, very supportable bill.                              
                                                                               
 Number 525                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR HOFFMAN asked how many unfunded mandates have been passed             
 on to the municipalities in the last two or three years and their             
 costs.  KEVIN RITCHIE responded that the state has been very                  
 conscientious in not creating additional statutory mandates, and              
 the League feels the state restraint has been really good as budget           
 pressures increase.  He noted that the Legislative Research Agency            
 created a report which includes all of the mandates from state                
 government to local government, but there wasn't a breakdown on               
 what Senator Hoffman was asking.  However, probably the poignant              
 example would be the senior citizen property tax.  It was a bill              
 that passed years ago, but the decision to underfund it has                   
 happened annually.  SENATOR KELLY said he would have staff research           
 the last four legislative sessions to see if any legislation that             
 mandates was passed and that falls under the purview of this bill,            
 as well as to look at some of the pieces of legislation that didn't           
 pass.                                                                         
                                                                               
 Number 575                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR KELLY moved the following amendments to CSSB 96(CRA)                  
                                                                               
 Page 3, line 16:  Delete "audit" and insert "finance"                         
                                                                               
 Page 3, after line 30:  Insert a new paragraph to read as follows:            
   "(1)  bill passed in response to a disaster emergency                       
 declared by the governor under AS 26.23.020;"                                 
                                                                               
 Renumber the following paragraphs accordingly.                                
                                                                               
 Page 4, line 1:  Delete "the affected municipalities" and insert              
 "resolution from the Alaska Municipal League"                                 
                                                                               
 Hearing no objection, SENATOR TORGERSON stated the amendments were            
 adopted.                                                                      
                                                                               
 TAPE 94-5, SIDE B                                                             
 Number 010                                                                    
                                                                               
 KIM METCALFE-HELMAR, Special Assistant, Department of Community &             
 Regional Affairs, stated the department had just received the new             
 committee substitute and has not had an opportunity to take a close           
 look the fiscal impacts of the new language on page 5, which                  
 requires the department to prepare an estimate of the increased               
 costs if the adoption, amendment, or repeal of a regulation would             
 require increased costs to municipalities.  Also, it is unclear to            
 the department how it would fit in with the findings that would be            
 undertaken by the legislative finance division as outlined in                 
 subsection (b) on page 3.                                                     
                                                                               
 Number 035                                                                    
                                                                               
 RANDY WELKER, Legislative Auditor, Legislative Audit Division, said           
 his initial concern with the original committee substitute was in             
 the provision on page 3, line 16 that was just changed in Senator             
 Kelly's amendment from the legislative audit division to the                  
 legislative finance division.                                                 
                                                                               
 Mr. Welker related that the zero fiscal note prepared by                      
 Legislative Audit was prepared based on the provisions of                     
 subsection (c) on page 3, which provides that if a municipality               
 disputes the findings it can petition the audit division for                  
 review.  He said if we are putting a good faith effort into the               
 legislation, where the findings are well thought out, the only time           
 where a municipality might dispute findings is if a finding is                
 determined to not impact a municipality when, in fact, it clearly             
 does.                                                                         
                                                                               
 Number 070                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR R. PHILLIPS voiced his concern on how legislators on the              
 Budget and Audit Committee are going to know what is going on                 
 unless there is some of kind of reporting system to the committee             
 itself.  RANDY WELKER said there are a lot of requests that the               
 audit division gets for quick turn-around type of things that they            
 can do, and he would consider this in that regard.  He added that             
 if it was something that would significantly impact the division,             
 he would then go to the committee and ask for prioritization.                 
 However, he thinks the primary emphasis is going to be on the                 
 definition of "sufficiently funded" which is outside of the                   
 findings and the role that he sees the audit division playing.  But           
 he not sure that the bill defines who will make the determination             
 of whether or not a mandate is sufficiently funded.  SENATOR Kelly            
 agreed that is a weakness in the bill, and he thinks some work is             
 going to have to be done on that particular section.                          
                                                                               
 Number 110                                                                    
                                                                               
 There being no further testimony on CSSB 96(CRA), SENATOR TORGERSON           
 stated the bill would be held over for additional work and would be           
 back before the committee at its next meeting.                                

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